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19 hours ago
I loved the upgraded Goliaths, so good at anti-air.
19 hours ago
protoss? carrier swarm.. game over
19 hours ago
so, I would not have liked you with my slooooooowly destructive armies of guardians? lol
19 hours ago
Literally everyone I play with (son, a couple of friends) are Protoss fans. I still don't know what Zerg can really do in the new game, lol.
19 hours ago
I love the lore and flavour of the protoss, I just never figured out how to be effective with them and not a lot of the pros play Protoss so I'm not really sure what they're capable of
19 hours ago
zerg? yah tehre a hard one to nail down, kind of a jack-of-all-trades but can be good if you knwo how to multi-taks the units
19 hours ago
Heh, no, not so much. I'd typically throw up a quick hard point just outside an expansion base, start taking out workers to force a response, and use SCV supporte Goliaths, bunkers, and tanks (and missile turrets for detection) to win the attrition battle.
19 hours ago
Guardians were especially tasty :)
19 hours ago
ahh 5pm it is finnaly.. time to head home.. i'll cyas on teh game tongiht if you make it on =)
19 hours ago
see ya!
4 hours ago
ahh another lovely day in the hell hole known as work.. lol
1 hour ago
Welcome to Tuesday, lol.
1 hour ago
I ended up being on for a little bit last night, just did some auctions then ran a quick Cata dungeon on Dots for embersilk and Justice points.
1 hour ago
(need something on the order of 800 or so more embersilk to get tailoring up to 500, where his leg and cloak embroidery get a bump.....at least under current rules, not sure come WoD)
1 hour ago
Also I was all excited when he learned the recipe for a Cata flask that can be used at 80, that gives 300 spirit--would probably cover all his spirit needs right there. Then I realized that come WoD it won't be nearly as overpowered, nor will Cata food with the panderan extra food buff be as big a deal *sob*
1 hour ago
oh bugger, the profession bonuses largely go away--so tailors lose the cloak embroidery :( This may be harder for us than for the group that did this under Mists rules, without as much relative bonus from Cata food and flasks and without profession bonuses to the same degree.
1 hour ago
(and ditto, I assume, on extra gem socket for BS, fancy bracer enhance for LW, they all got bettter at skill 500, so could be a pretty big difference for a level 80 character)
38 mins ago
Of course, it all depends if they take the time to balance the encounter with this in mind, or not. Well, losing some of the bonus Cata effect they won't probably mind--puts it more in the spirit it was created in. But losing profession perks is a downgrade compared to when Wrath was live, so hopefully they'll take that into account?
37 mins ago
I wonder if we could ask someone on Twitter? ("Some in my guild are working towards Herald of the Titans, after WoD. Will the encounter be tuned for loss of profession perks?")
34 mins ago
(sorry for filling the screen with orange...a bit early for such a halloween based color-scheme......)
31 mins ago
We won't know a lot until we actually see the stat changes to the old gear.
30 mins ago
I think the main stat for the priests will be int. Everything we do will be based off that, so we should be ok with normal enchants on all gear pieces.
12 mins ago
Wor, it wouldn't be a bad idea to ask on Twitter. there is also a thread in Insider today about old raids and the "buff" we're going to get.
10 mins ago
Let us know if you get an answer. Lore is pretty good about responding.
9 mins ago
Here's a comment...The buff isn't really a buff. It's the new formulae for combat resolution in the absence of accuracy ratings. It has nothing to do with being in instanced content and everything to do with attacking and being attacked by lower level mobs (and players). They might have overcompensated just a bit but they decided it was better to err on the side of caution for this.
8 mins ago
But will this work for an at level group? I thought that was for max players going back to do old content?
8 mins ago
Raz is in the comment section of The Queue. (I know her handle.)
7 mins ago
Raz's take is that it's not for at level toons.
7 mins ago
It's only for those going into old content.
7 mins ago
Yeah, I figured out who she was when she was moving. lol
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So when Timeless Isle went live, I was curious how good the odds were at winning with this little "casino". Of course, by the time I had collected enough coins to want to start gambling, Blizzard had changed the drop rates on so many things in there from the PTR that no site I found had all that accurate information. So I decided to run my own test once it looked like Blizz was done messing with the drop rates. Listed below is my findings from 100 Keys (50,000 Coins, enough for 1 Burden of Eternity ), and at the very bottom is the TL:DR short notes.

Warning: This is a small sample size, so numbers at the bottom aren't exact. A more accurate test would consist of at least 1,000 Keys used, but for now this does give an idea of what to expect.


Test 1: Show

So first up I had Tarsan farm up some coins, and not knowing what to expect I didn't want to drop a lot of coins only to come out way behind where I started. The Timeless item, costing 7,500 from the vendor was a nice surprise at the time, and easily paid for the whole test by itself.

Test 2: Show

Next up I sent Herc around the island. As the previous test was small, I wanted to repeat it and see if I got similar results. Roughly he earned the same amount of coins as Tarsan, but the lack of anything beyond coins made the test set him back about 2,000 coins.

Test 3: Show

With the demo test out of the way, it was time to get some real results. After a nice chunk of Rare farming, once again Herc went forth to spend his hard earned coins. BAM right off the back we got not only enough Timeless pieces to pay off the whole test, but then a bonus piece as icing. Coin turnout was still close to what was seen in the first test, so after 50 keys the coin flow is already close to the avg. coins per chest listed at the bottom.

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After a few days break from the isle it was time to return again and continue the tests. At this point I was pretty certain that I was certain the listed chance at the Pet and a Burden of Eternity on wowhead was still wrong so I would have to keep going to get better numbers. Low and behold, a Burden drops on Chest 2, and I dropped my jaw. Being that it cost 50,000 to buy it, it not only paid off this test I was doing, but also the cost of all the test I would be conducting here.

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This test was done just not long after the previous test, with the gains Tarsan got on the last test, and with the odd coincidence all the big rares spawned one after another, he got the 15,000 coins to finish off the testing very quickly. As the between the coins coming in and the early Timeless piece, the test was already a profit, but then ANOTHER Burden drop?! My opinion on the cost of the gambling area was set. Unless Blizz changes drop rates again, then more or less its a better cost of your coins to spend them gambling then saving and buying Timeless pieces/Burdens from the vendors.




TL:DR
- Avg. Coins per Chest = 295
- % chance for a random Timless Piece = 7%
- % chance for a Burden of Eternity = 2%
- % chance at Bonkers = < 1%

For the cost of 20,500 coins (spent 50,000 coins, and earned back 29,500), I received 2 Burdens, and 7 Timeless Pieces. A 152,500 coin value. IMHO, the gambling is the way to go if your looking for Burdens or Epics
Posted Sep 21, 13 · OP
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interesting article tarsan i found a couple good chests on my druid but felt for me it was'nt as good i will try it again
Posted Sep 21, 13
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I go in the cave when I hit about 20,000 coins and then replay with the diminishing returns until I either get a Burden of Eternity or I run out of coins. I haven't been keeping tabs on the exact numbers but I've gotten 3 Bonkers, 2 Burdens and countless armor tokens. I vendor the armor tokens I don't need at 5G apiece - so thats a conversion bonus back to real gold, I disenchant the plate I don't need and the Sha's I get from that are worth big G still. So, all in all, the cave is full of "win".
Posted Sep 22, 13
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I may have to try again but so far I wasn't impressed with drop rates. I used 15 keys and got a couple armor tokens and 1 bonkers. I didn't count the coins returned but I know it was at least half of what I spent.
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Posted Sep 22, 13 · Last edited Sep 22, 13
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Wowhead seems to be down currently, but I seem to recall in the comments for the cache or for kukuru himself, a couple of people had run similar trials (post nerf). Their conclusion was that the drop rate on burden of eternity looked like it was probably set to average out to the same cost in keys as buying it directly...the difference being that chests also drop coins, armor, and a pet.

Your data suggests that the drop rate might make it cheaper straight up to go for keys, but like you said on anything with that low of a chance, you need a pretty big data set to get accurate statistics.

Either way, Kukuru seems like a better bet than just buying them, if you have the time and can afford to take a chance on being unlucky (and especially if you can still use the armor, for the toon in question or for alts)
Posted Sep 23, 13
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Wowhead also notes that there is a less than 1% chance to either get a chest that has 1 coin or 10000 coins. Now, knowing that the RNG HATES M2 guess what?

Yea, I've gotten 1 coin twice. I have yet to see the 10000 coin chest.
Posted Sep 23, 13
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No joke, I dropped another 30 keys over the weekend (all at once), and got 2 Bonkers, about 10 Timeless Tokens, and the dreaded 1 coin. Really should've been documenting it so I could start on the long haul for 1000 Keys used.
Posted Sep 23, 13 · OP
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Initially, instead of saving up my coins for the 50k burden, I gambled all the time. Probably put in about 15k or so (plus reinvest any coins I got from chests). I did not encounter any burden's, but I did get a bonkers and a bunch of timeless pieces. I'm currently saving up for the 535 trinket. After that I may have another go at gambling. My luck gambling isn't usually that great...In that 15k I spend previously I found 4 or 5 1 coin chests :(
"I grab the bag from the demon"
Posted Sep 23, 13
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