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Wed at 21:08
I have the hut on Wor, but thinking of dropping it for something else (I have one on an alt that I can use for BOE gear, and Wor is geared enough that he's not seeing a big flow of BOP stuff anymore.
Wed at 21:09
too bad they never helped you with gearing though :(
Thu at 19:20
The computer sales area finally starting to get better (they are always seem to be bad around Christmas, at least up here). I am almost salivating at the thought of getting a system that can play this game decently again! Just a little more patience, but I admit I’m feeling very 8 years old at the moment: I’m tired of waiting, I want the shiny NOW!
Thu at 19:24
Now an actual game question, for anyone with a level 3 barn. Do you generally solo the legendary beasts, or find a quick pairing/group and take turns trapping?
Thu at 19:25
I’m managed to solo, errr, I think it was a clefthoof, but it was a pretty slow process with much use of cooldowns. A wolf just put down damage too quickly for me to manage on Wor, at least at his current gearing (or maybe there is a mechanic I need to learn)
Thu at 19:26
Depends on gear and class... I have no issue soloing them on Tarsan, but I can only take 1 at a time... if you group up with a pal and chain pull them, each person in the group taking 1, then the shared traps go fast
Thu at 19:27
Though, its kinda hard to find 2 close enough to eachother to both get credit... because of how many people farm there
Thu at 19:46
right
Thu at 21:51
I guess the farming won't go down anytime soon, as there is apparently another upgrade tier on crafted gear in 6.1, needing, of course, more blood.
Thu at 21:51
(or so I saw, somewhere, last week)
Fri at 15:41
"As part of it, AOL is also consolidating some websites. Gaming site Joystiq and Apple news site TUAW are both being folded into Engadget,"
Fri at 15:42
"V"
Fri at 15:42
oops
Fri at 15:42
" Joystiq will stay on as a separate channel at Engadget, while TUAW content will be folded into the bigger site, we understand. It’s still being decided whether the two brand names will remain."
Fri at 15:42
control V does a much better job of pasting stuff than does shift V
Fri at 15:43
Those quotes from a site called TechCrunch
21 hours ago
Well that sucks--as it says in the comments on the front page already, last day for WowInsider is Tuesday. So much history, so much information, such community..... really sad to see it killed.
21 hours ago
Yeah, I am very sad about this news. I check the site daily.
20 hours ago
I admit I'm getting very little done here at work right now. WoW insider being shut down is really getting to me. Wishing I had people I could rant to face to face who would get it.....it isn't just that practical aspects or the corporate cluelessness, it is a loss of community.
20 hours ago
Yeah, the comments on the post at WI are exploding.
20 hours ago
I bet!
20 hours ago
Yeah and on twitter as well things are crazy, i have the new get the new site up and running soon
19 hours ago
well, I'm off for the afternoon. Not sure if I'll be in game tonight or not, and am unlikely to be on the mumble call Gimm specified (I'll be doing stuff with the boy at that time), but see you around sooner or later.
5 hours ago
Back from Ex. finally
5 hours ago
Safe sound ... 100% mission success for our two chinooks! Hope to come back to game soon ... Cheers all!
5 hours ago
Little bit of what we did
4 hours ago
that looks pretty intense!
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Kukuru's Cache

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So when Timeless Isle went live, I was curious how good the odds were at winning with this little "casino". Of course, by the time I had collected enough coins to want to start gambling, Blizzard had changed the drop rates on so many things in there from the PTR that no site I found had all that accurate information. So I decided to run my own test once it looked like Blizz was done messing with the drop rates. Listed below is my findings from 100 Keys (50,000 Coins, enough for 1 Burden of Eternity ), and at the very bottom is the TL:DR short notes.

Warning: This is a small sample size, so numbers at the bottom aren't exact. A more accurate test would consist of at least 1,000 Keys used, but for now this does give an idea of what to expect.


Test 1: Show

So first up I had Tarsan farm up some coins, and not knowing what to expect I didn't want to drop a lot of coins only to come out way behind where I started. The Timeless item, costing 7,500 from the vendor was a nice surprise at the time, and easily paid for the whole test by itself.

Test 2: Show

Next up I sent Herc around the island. As the previous test was small, I wanted to repeat it and see if I got similar results. Roughly he earned the same amount of coins as Tarsan, but the lack of anything beyond coins made the test set him back about 2,000 coins.

Test 3: Show

With the demo test out of the way, it was time to get some real results. After a nice chunk of Rare farming, once again Herc went forth to spend his hard earned coins. BAM right off the back we got not only enough Timeless pieces to pay off the whole test, but then a bonus piece as icing. Coin turnout was still close to what was seen in the first test, so after 50 keys the coin flow is already close to the avg. coins per chest listed at the bottom.

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After a few days break from the isle it was time to return again and continue the tests. At this point I was pretty certain that I was certain the listed chance at the Pet and a Burden of Eternity on wowhead was still wrong so I would have to keep going to get better numbers. Low and behold, a Burden drops on Chest 2, and I dropped my jaw. Being that it cost 50,000 to buy it, it not only paid off this test I was doing, but also the cost of all the test I would be conducting here.

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This test was done just not long after the previous test, with the gains Tarsan got on the last test, and with the odd coincidence all the big rares spawned one after another, he got the 15,000 coins to finish off the testing very quickly. As the between the coins coming in and the early Timeless piece, the test was already a profit, but then ANOTHER Burden drop?! My opinion on the cost of the gambling area was set. Unless Blizz changes drop rates again, then more or less its a better cost of your coins to spend them gambling then saving and buying Timeless pieces/Burdens from the vendors.




TL:DR
- Avg. Coins per Chest = 295
- % chance for a random Timless Piece = 7%
- % chance for a Burden of Eternity = 2%
- % chance at Bonkers = < 1%

For the cost of 20,500 coins (spent 50,000 coins, and earned back 29,500), I received 2 Burdens, and 7 Timeless Pieces. A 152,500 coin value. IMHO, the gambling is the way to go if your looking for Burdens or Epics
Posted Sep 21, 13 · OP
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interesting article tarsan i found a couple good chests on my druid but felt for me it was'nt as good i will try it again
Posted Sep 21, 13
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I go in the cave when I hit about 20,000 coins and then replay with the diminishing returns until I either get a Burden of Eternity or I run out of coins. I haven't been keeping tabs on the exact numbers but I've gotten 3 Bonkers, 2 Burdens and countless armor tokens. I vendor the armor tokens I don't need at 5G apiece - so thats a conversion bonus back to real gold, I disenchant the plate I don't need and the Sha's I get from that are worth big G still. So, all in all, the cave is full of "win".
Posted Sep 22, 13
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I may have to try again but so far I wasn't impressed with drop rates. I used 15 keys and got a couple armor tokens and 1 bonkers. I didn't count the coins returned but I know it was at least half of what I spent.
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Posted Sep 22, 13 · Last edited Sep 22, 13
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Wowhead seems to be down currently, but I seem to recall in the comments for the cache or for kukuru himself, a couple of people had run similar trials (post nerf). Their conclusion was that the drop rate on burden of eternity looked like it was probably set to average out to the same cost in keys as buying it directly...the difference being that chests also drop coins, armor, and a pet.

Your data suggests that the drop rate might make it cheaper straight up to go for keys, but like you said on anything with that low of a chance, you need a pretty big data set to get accurate statistics.

Either way, Kukuru seems like a better bet than just buying them, if you have the time and can afford to take a chance on being unlucky (and especially if you can still use the armor, for the toon in question or for alts)
Posted Sep 23, 13
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Wowhead also notes that there is a less than 1% chance to either get a chest that has 1 coin or 10000 coins. Now, knowing that the RNG HATES M2 guess what?

Yea, I've gotten 1 coin twice. I have yet to see the 10000 coin chest.
Posted Sep 23, 13
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No joke, I dropped another 30 keys over the weekend (all at once), and got 2 Bonkers, about 10 Timeless Tokens, and the dreaded 1 coin. Really should've been documenting it so I could start on the long haul for 1000 Keys used.
Posted Sep 23, 13 · OP
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Initially, instead of saving up my coins for the 50k burden, I gambled all the time. Probably put in about 15k or so (plus reinvest any coins I got from chests). I did not encounter any burden's, but I did get a bonkers and a bunch of timeless pieces. I'm currently saving up for the 535 trinket. After that I may have another go at gambling. My luck gambling isn't usually that great...In that 15k I spend previously I found 4 or 5 1 coin chests :(
"I grab the bag from the demon"
Posted Sep 23, 13
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